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		<title>By: Sarah Stelmok</title>
		<link>http://sarahiouslyspeaking.com/2010/01/proposed-short-sale-guidelines-hafa-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Stelmok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wade - The last thing I want to see is &quot;fire sale&quot; prices!  That only hurts local economies worse.  Homes should sell at market value.  Would &quot;fire sale&quot; prices fuel the real estate market in the short term?  Yes.  But it would be devastating in the long term.  It puts even more people in the whole in terms of lost home value, tax revenues go down, more people have to short sale; it&#039;s a vicious cycle.  Fannie and Freddie also reference the HAMP Program.  However, that program has been a big fat fail, as well.  It is up the individual banks to facilitate the short sale.  Not to mention, if a defaulting loan is Fannie or Freddie, I am finding the short sale time line actually increases.  It is far easier to work a short sale that is not Fannie or Freddie at this point.  Going back to prices, the last entity that should be setting prices is the government or any government agency.  We might as well live in a communist country if that&#039;s the way things are going.  Again, &quot;fire sale&quot; pricing just to move the inventory isn&#039;t the answer; well, it isn&#039;t a smart answer.  At this moment, in my market, we are not having a problem moving the inventory.  We have a problem moving it in a timely manner.  Other states have laws that prevent short sales from happening in a timely manner or make foreclosure a difficult and lengthy process.  Virginia does not fall into this category.  I just don&#039;t see any good way to implement this program in it&#039;s current state.  In the last 2 months, I have seen some larger banks make their short sake process a little easier and faster.  It took us 6 years to get into this mess, it&#039;s going to take at least 4 more years to get out of it.  IMO
I appreciate your comments.  They definitely made me think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wade &#8211; The last thing I want to see is &#8220;fire sale&#8221; prices!  That only hurts local economies worse.  Homes should sell at market value.  Would &#8220;fire sale&#8221; prices fuel the real estate market in the short term?  Yes.  But it would be devastating in the long term.  It puts even more people in the whole in terms of lost home value, tax revenues go down, more people have to short sale; it&#8217;s a vicious cycle.  Fannie and Freddie also reference the HAMP Program.  However, that program has been a big fat fail, as well.  It is up the individual banks to facilitate the short sale.  Not to mention, if a defaulting loan is Fannie or Freddie, I am finding the short sale time line actually increases.  It is far easier to work a short sale that is not Fannie or Freddie at this point.  Going back to prices, the last entity that should be setting prices is the government or any government agency.  We might as well live in a communist country if that&#8217;s the way things are going.  Again, &#8220;fire sale&#8221; pricing just to move the inventory isn&#8217;t the answer; well, it isn&#8217;t a smart answer.  At this moment, in my market, we are not having a problem moving the inventory.  We have a problem moving it in a timely manner.  Other states have laws that prevent short sales from happening in a timely manner or make foreclosure a difficult and lengthy process.  Virginia does not fall into this category.  I just don&#8217;t see any good way to implement this program in it&#8217;s current state.  In the last 2 months, I have seen some larger banks make their short sake process a little easier and faster.  It took us 6 years to get into this mess, it&#8217;s going to take at least 4 more years to get out of it.  IMO<br />
I appreciate your comments.  They definitely made me think!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Stelmok</title>
		<link>http://sarahiouslyspeaking.com/2010/01/proposed-short-sale-guidelines-hafa-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-515</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Stelmok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry - How do you think the large banks will handle the new timelines?  From the bank reps that i&#039;ve talked to, they can&#039;t.  The expense is too great.  No one seems to be able  to find a list of banks that have signed up to participate as a 1st lien.  I can find a list of banks that signed up to participate as the 2nd lien holder.  I do think we will hear about the program for at least 18 months, just like we&#039;ve heard about HAMP, but I don&#039;t see it helping very many consumers... just like HAMP.  Defaulting borrower&#039;s qualify for the program, so the 31% gross monthly income mortgage payment doesn&#039;t play a roll.  The borrower just has to have a monthly mortgage payment that exceeds 31% of their gross monthly income.  This program is lacking, in delivery and function.  It is not the answer to the problem.  It is a pretty little distractor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry &#8211; How do you think the large banks will handle the new timelines?  From the bank reps that i&#8217;ve talked to, they can&#8217;t.  The expense is too great.  No one seems to be able  to find a list of banks that have signed up to participate as a 1st lien.  I can find a list of banks that signed up to participate as the 2nd lien holder.  I do think we will hear about the program for at least 18 months, just like we&#8217;ve heard about HAMP, but I don&#8217;t see it helping very many consumers&#8230; just like HAMP.  Defaulting borrower&#8217;s qualify for the program, so the 31% gross monthly income mortgage payment doesn&#8217;t play a roll.  The borrower just has to have a monthly mortgage payment that exceeds 31% of their gross monthly income.  This program is lacking, in delivery and function.  It is not the answer to the problem.  It is a pretty little distractor.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think HAFA is going to be a very rough go, just like HAMP is.  I do think that it is going to be here with us at least for the next 18 months.  The third party venders for the lenders are really going to be like the companies that do REO work for the lenders and if you want to have Bank Directed HAFA short sales, this is where they are coming from.  If you don&#039;t want to pay a portion of you commission I completely understand.  Just think that it is going to happen and that a lot of short sales may be done this way.  

The real question is how many short sale borrowers are going to continue to pay a monthly mortgage payment up to 31% of gross income during the short sale process?  I am not sure how many are going to do this knowing they are losing the house to short sale and only going to get $1500 at best at the end of the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think HAFA is going to be a very rough go, just like HAMP is.  I do think that it is going to be here with us at least for the next 18 months.  The third party venders for the lenders are really going to be like the companies that do REO work for the lenders and if you want to have Bank Directed HAFA short sales, this is where they are coming from.  If you don&#8217;t want to pay a portion of you commission I completely understand.  Just think that it is going to happen and that a lot of short sales may be done this way.  </p>
<p>The real question is how many short sale borrowers are going to continue to pay a monthly mortgage payment up to 31% of gross income during the short sale process?  I am not sure how many are going to do this knowing they are losing the house to short sale and only going to get $1500 at best at the end of the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Short Sale Artisan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Short Sale Artisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I just quoted my favorite line from you &quot;it&#039;s a bunch of crap&quot; in my own blog post about HAFA. Great stuff &amp; great blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I just quoted my favorite line from you &#8220;it&#8217;s a bunch of crap&#8221; in my own blog post about HAFA. Great stuff &amp; great blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Wade Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Stelmok,

I stumbled across your blog and I appreciate the tongue-in-cheek style of your first post on this topic and your direct communication throughout.  Your mild cynicism no doubt serves you well.

I&#039;ve been trying to better understand the likely impact of the HAFA program.  After carefully dissecting an unrelated program from Treasury (PPIP), I&#039;ve concluded that policy direction can be better inferred from careful analysis than reliance upon casual observation or Treasury&#039;s public statements.  In the case of PPIP, I concluded the program amounted to a stunning scheme to prop up asset prices at taxpayer expense (many subtle details; I won&#039;t bore you).  

My question on HAFA requires just a few points to set up.  As you probably know, Treasury quietly announced on 12/24/09 that they would provide unlimited backstop to Fannie/Freddie losses thru 2012.  I understand that you believe the program is optional for lenders, and presumably there’s no language you can find that would strong arm note holders into arriving at Minimum Net Proceed calculations that might be characterized as “fire sale” pricing.  But what if Fannie/Freddie engaged in such pricing behavior?  Could they not move the market substantially based on their share of loans?  I cannot find a listing of participating lenders; however Freddie’s last quarterly 10Q statement referenced the HAFA program—it is clear they’ll be participating.

I am fully aware that Treasury’s strategy so far (across the entire debt crisis) has been to support asset prices and do anything to delay price discovery.  However, if they were to shift strategy, for whatever reason, to force market clearing pricing, could they use HAFA to substantially move market prices?  My understanding is that there are nearly 3/4 million homes in the HAMP pipeline now, most of them likely to be eligible for HAFA.  With resets on ALT A and option ARMs ramping up, the deluge of supply could eventually be quite large.  Given Fannie/Freddie have a large portion of loans, could they not be a major price setter?

I’m interested in whether you’d place any merit in the questions I’ve outlined above.  To the extent that you do, do you see anyway to confirm the possibility before it obvious to everyone?  Is there sufficient wiggle room under the plan to derive fire sale pricing, if a lender was willing to do so?  Of course such a lender would be insane, unless others paid for their losses, and they had other reasons to expedite write-downs.

Thanks,
Wade</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Stelmok,</p>
<p>I stumbled across your blog and I appreciate the tongue-in-cheek style of your first post on this topic and your direct communication throughout.  Your mild cynicism no doubt serves you well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to better understand the likely impact of the HAFA program.  After carefully dissecting an unrelated program from Treasury (PPIP), I&#8217;ve concluded that policy direction can be better inferred from careful analysis than reliance upon casual observation or Treasury&#8217;s public statements.  In the case of PPIP, I concluded the program amounted to a stunning scheme to prop up asset prices at taxpayer expense (many subtle details; I won&#8217;t bore you).  </p>
<p>My question on HAFA requires just a few points to set up.  As you probably know, Treasury quietly announced on 12/24/09 that they would provide unlimited backstop to Fannie/Freddie losses thru 2012.  I understand that you believe the program is optional for lenders, and presumably there’s no language you can find that would strong arm note holders into arriving at Minimum Net Proceed calculations that might be characterized as “fire sale” pricing.  But what if Fannie/Freddie engaged in such pricing behavior?  Could they not move the market substantially based on their share of loans?  I cannot find a listing of participating lenders; however Freddie’s last quarterly 10Q statement referenced the HAFA program—it is clear they’ll be participating.</p>
<p>I am fully aware that Treasury’s strategy so far (across the entire debt crisis) has been to support asset prices and do anything to delay price discovery.  However, if they were to shift strategy, for whatever reason, to force market clearing pricing, could they use HAFA to substantially move market prices?  My understanding is that there are nearly 3/4 million homes in the HAMP pipeline now, most of them likely to be eligible for HAFA.  With resets on ALT A and option ARMs ramping up, the deluge of supply could eventually be quite large.  Given Fannie/Freddie have a large portion of loans, could they not be a major price setter?</p>
<p>I’m interested in whether you’d place any merit in the questions I’ve outlined above.  To the extent that you do, do you see anyway to confirm the possibility before it obvious to everyone?  Is there sufficient wiggle room under the plan to derive fire sale pricing, if a lender was willing to do so?  Of course such a lender would be insane, unless others paid for their losses, and they had other reasons to expedite write-downs.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Wade</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Minchella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Minchella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for sharing, I&#039;m with you, I don&#039;t think this is going to help the process at all.  The short sale market is ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for sharing, I&#8217;m with you, I don&#8217;t think this is going to help the process at all.  The short sale market is ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: Danilo Bogdanovic</title>
		<link>http://sarahiouslyspeaking.com/2010/01/proposed-short-sale-guidelines-hafa-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Danilo Bogdanovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome series! This should be shared with every Realtor and Broker around.

Note: Isn&#039;t it amazing how most &quot;fixes&quot; that the government comes up with that are abbreviated by 4 letters (e.g. HAFA and HVCC) are synonymous with another set of four letters the first one being &quot;S&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome series! This should be shared with every Realtor and Broker around.</p>
<p>Note: Isn&#8217;t it amazing how most &#8220;fixes&#8221; that the government comes up with that are abbreviated by 4 letters (e.g. HAFA and HVCC) are synonymous with another set of four letters the first one being &#8220;S&#8221; <img src='http://www.sarahiouslyspeaking.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<dc:creator>Top 10 real estate posts of the day for 1/28/2010 : Tempe real estate and free home search</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Dean Ouellette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Ouellette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah good job with this series. I could not agree with you more, that fact that NAR and other organizations are endorsing this program makes me wonder at all if they read the 43 pages. This program is a nightmare for the home seller, buyer if they are an investor, the agent and the bank. So who does this help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah good job with this series. I could not agree with you more, that fact that NAR and other organizations are endorsing this program makes me wonder at all if they read the 43 pages. This program is a nightmare for the home seller, buyer if they are an investor, the agent and the bank. So who does this help?</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Emery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Emery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! You said it better than I ever could have!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! You said it better than I ever could have!</p>
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